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Hello, I'm just going to put this behind a cut because googling this has made me wish I could put my research behind a cut in my own brain.



In this fantasy world, spiders can be the size of horses and you can harvest the ones you kill for food. I tried searching what the inside of a tarantula's leg looks like and... it wasn't really working.

So my question is: what would the 'meat' of a spider look like? Would it be crablike? Does anyone know what a tarantula looks like on the inside?

Thank you for your time.

I need to know this for a comic I'm drawing.

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Date: 2023-09-11 09:44 pm (UTC)
redsixwing: A red knotwork emblem. (Default)
From: [personal profile] redsixwing
*snort* Well, that's true! xD

I've eaten some of the common (more common?) insects - namely crickets, which are okay, and mealworms, which are delicious. I aspire to try silkworms some day. May have to add tarantulas to the list. :)

In grasshopper season, it would be hard to starve around here. (Yeah they're fast and they fly. They're also big and not particularly perceptive or smart, and they easily get caught in the fabric I use to shade my garden. I can only imagine how many I could catch with a net and some patience.)

And now I'm thinking about a hemolymph-based jelly dish for a fictional culture...

Thanks!

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Date: 2023-09-11 09:59 pm (UTC)
melannen: Commander Valentine of Alpha Squad Seven, a red-haired female Nick Fury in space, smoking contemplatively (Default)
From: [personal profile] melannen
I'd be careful about *actually* eating grasshoppers from your lawn because they apparently can concentrate pesticides used on plants, but in theory they are supposed to be delicious and meaty.

Unfortunately I enjoy entomophagy mainly in theory because I can't digest crab/shrimp/lobster, and while insects are *probably* okay I have only tried them in very small quantities. (Mealworms are delicious though it's true.)

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Date: 2023-09-11 10:04 pm (UTC)
redsixwing: A red knotwork emblem. (Default)
From: [personal profile] redsixwing
A good caution to observe, thanks - I don't use pesticides myself, but I live near people who probably do, and grasshoppers move around.

And that's another good consideration: allergy to arthropods of one type may mean sensitivity to others.

If I use hemolymph as an ingredient in some fantasy cuisine, that's to think about there too.

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Date: 2023-09-11 10:16 pm (UTC)
melannen: Commander Valentine of Alpha Squad Seven, a red-haired female Nick Fury in space, smoking contemplatively (Default)
From: [personal profile] melannen
I don't actually know if a crustacean allergy makes you that much more likely to be allergic to eating insects or arachnids - it doesn't come up on a lot of medical guidelines, for some reason! - but in a country where avoiding them isn't a hardship it seems safest.

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Date: 2023-09-12 12:32 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tabaqui
I could not help myself.
"As Dr. Zachary Rubin, pediatric allergist, wrote to me, "The majority of people allergic to shellfish are allergic to a protein called tropomyosin, which is also found in many insects, so it's not usually a good idea to consume insect-containing foods if you have a shellfish allergy." "

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/health-and-nutrition/edible-insect-revolution-not-those-shellfish-allergies

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Date: 2023-09-12 02:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] adafrog
That's really interesting. Thanks.

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Date: 2023-09-12 02:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tabaqui
Welcome! Really not something I would have considered.

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Date: 2023-09-11 11:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] full_metal_ox
I've eaten some of the common (more common?) insects - namely crickets, which are okay, and mealworms, which are delicious. I aspire to try silkworms some day. May have to add tarantulas to the list. :)

I’ve had silkworms, which I bought frozen and then stewed; the texture was disappointing, having the sponginess of freeze-dried tofu. I suspect I would’ve done better to deep-fry them like shrimp.

My bucket list includes mopane worms, a fat caterpillar considered a delicacy in Zimbabwe. (They were the subject of an old Food Network promo that I’ve been unable to find online, possibly because of its potential to offend: a white American couple on safari are apprehensively sampling mopane worms in a stereotypical African hunter-gatherer straw hut village; the husband’s reaction is: “Call me crazy, but this tastes like honey barbecue chicken!” Flash forward to the African couple, still garbed in bones and leopard skins, attending a white American backyard barbecue; the husband’s reaction is: “Call me crazy, but this tastes like mopane worms!”)

I’ve tried salt-and-vinegar ants marketed by a novelty food distributor—which strikes me as an absurd gilding of the lily. Ants have a sharp inherent tartness that comes from formic acid (probably contraindicating them for people with bee sting allergies); in fact, an effective way to introduce them as food might be to grind them up as a sour seasoning, like sumac or Mexican lime salt.

(Why, yes—I was that weird kid who ate bugs on a dare, long before that turned into a whole reality show genre.)

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Date: 2023-09-12 06:04 pm (UTC)
redsixwing: A red knotwork emblem. (Default)
From: [personal profile] redsixwing
the texture was disappointing, having the sponginess of freeze-dried tofu.

Aww! Well, that's good to know.
I read about them being served wok-fried in a magazine some time ago. Frying may indeed be worth a shot!

Your story made me snicker, and also: yum. That sounds good too.

I wasn't so likely to eat bugs as a kid, but when they became available as novelty sweets, I was one of the few who ate the chocolate-covered assorted critters without being dared into it.

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Date: 2023-09-12 08:44 pm (UTC)
full_metal_ox: A gold Chinese Metal Ox zodiac charm. (Default)
From: [personal profile] full_metal_ox
By contrast: part of how (at least Ohio-area) fireflies survive broadcasting their presence to every nocturnal predator out there may come from the fact that they’re the bitterest shit imaginable. Had I been the size of a bat or a whippoorwill, enough for the dose to be significant, I suspect I would’ve regretted my actions even harder.

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Date: 2023-09-12 10:59 pm (UTC)
redsixwing: Reeves Pheasant as Totem, by Moonvoice (reeves pheasant)
From: [personal profile] redsixwing
Sorry, but this made me laugh SO hard. xD

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Date: 2023-09-13 07:23 pm (UTC)
full_metal_ox: A gold Chinese Metal Ox zodiac charm. (Default)
From: [personal profile] full_metal_ox
[profile] mekannen:

Also if you want an actually useful fact: basically all arthropods are safely edible without special preparation except for a few butterflies and moths and their caterpillars, so if you're ever in a starvation situation, catch some bugs.

Source for this generalization? If an arthropod is brightly colored, particularly regardless of sex, there’s likely to be a reason.

[personal profile] redsixwing:

In grasshopper season, it would be hard to starve around here. (Yeah they're fast and they fly. They're also big and not particularly perceptive or smart, and they easily get caught in the fabric I use to shade my garden. I can only imagine how many I could catch with a net and some patience.)

Although they’re huge—they can attain the size of a man’s thumb—and flightless, you might not want to eat (U.S.) Southeastern Lubber Grasshoppers (associated particularly with Florida, because of course.) Reports of their toxicity vary wildly; it may depend on their local food plants.



(Image: a brilliant orange-and-yellow grasshopper with pink-touched vestigial wings, seated in profile on a weathered wooden plank.)

Now, the similarly humongous olive-drab Differential Grasshopper? Them’s good eatin’:



(Image: an olive-green grasshopper with muted yellow-and-black-striped hind legs, lying at 3/4 angle upon bright green serrated-edged leaves.)

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Date: 2023-09-13 10:48 pm (UTC)
redsixwing: Pearl, a slim gem with pink hair and ivory skin, with green and white data scrolling through her eyes. (pearl)
From: [personal profile] redsixwing
I have never seen a grasshopper like that Lubber! Very pretty, but I'll keep it out of my mouth.

This CulinaryLore article suggests that drab grasshoppers are safer to eat, in which case the grey-to-dun ones should be fine.

That said, I'm not sure I'd call the lovely chevron markings on that Differential Grasshopper drab, so it's good to look it up.

Aha. The locals seem to be Differential Grasshoppers and a few species of Bird Grasshopper. And apparently two species of locust?

Today I learned. I'll have to go grasshopper-catching and see if I can identify some. Harmlessly. ;)

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Date: 2023-09-14 12:42 am (UTC)
full_metal_ox: A gold Chinese Metal Ox zodiac charm. (Default)
From: [personal profile] full_metal_ox
“Olive drab” is a color term for subdued Army greens.

And there’s at least one whole website devoted to entomophagy (also touching upon other arthropods such as spiders—the original topic of this post—scorpions, centipedes, and millipedes):

https://www.smallstockfoods.com/
Edited (to correct punctuation.) Date: 2023-09-14 06:41 pm (UTC)

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